I still like the R68's as i grew up with them on the N line when i lived in Astoria, I know they look obese but just something about them that no other train has, it looks like the inside of a R46 but with a stainless steel interior, and it has the propulsion of the R62A, meanwhile the R160's are rusting as well, and they have only been in service for the past 5 years or so, and the seals at the end of the cabs look like they are about to come off.