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Offline trainbrain

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Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« on: May 23, 2013, 03:43:59 pm »
Hello all,
I would like to know the basics of creating a replica cab for use in OpenBVE, and specifically in my northbound (T) 2nd Ave Line route.
What programs to use? Tips and tricks?

Please help
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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 04:51:15 pm »
I don't know if you got my PM but i use, Photoshop CS6. Before i got PS i used some free alternatives:

Gimp:
http://www.gimp.org/
Paint.net:
http://getpaint.net/

Additionally, these are good too:
http://www.flyingmeat.com/acorn/
http://pixlr.com/
http://www.pixelmator.com/

However, The most important part is getting a cab shot. If you're lucky, some train operators will let you take a cab shot or two if you ask at a terminal station, just don't expect them to let you in all the time.

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 05:10:46 pm »
How about using SketchUp? Unfortunatley, cab shots will not work becuase this cab will be entirely fictional. But I will try out the other software that you suggest.

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 11:41:41 pm »
I would not recommend using Sketchup to draw a 3D cab. Instead, design it and save it as a 2D image using a graphics editing program such as GIMP, Paint.NET or Photoshop as Mr Railfan said.

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 07:01:44 pm »
However... you could make a 3D cab in sketchup and convert it to a .b3d file and use it as a 3D cab.

hmmm....
I may try this, see how it goes

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 07:50:41 pm »
Anyone have success in religious conversion from sketch up object to BVE CSV or B3D object?

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 09:05:42 pm »
Anyone have success in religious conversion from sketch up object to BVE CSV or B3D object?

Yup. The R46 exterior was made that way.

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 09:49:15 pm »
Yup. The R46 exterior was made that way.

Please do explain the procedure for converting from sketch up?

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 11:33:59 am »
When not one person is willing to list a valid detailed procedure,
one must scientificly vet that converting objects from google sketch up into BVE form
has not truely been performed, is not possible at this time, and is "urban myth"?


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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 11:50:08 am »
When not one person is willing to list a valid detailed procedure,
one must scientificly vet that converting objects from google sketch up into BVE form
has not truely been performed, is not possible at this time, and is "urban myth"?


Sorry I don't know the exact procedure, but I know it has been done considering the existence of the R46 exterior and the development of the NYCTA work locomotive.

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 12:55:57 pm »
When not one person is willing to list a valid detailed procedure,
one must scientificly vet that converting objects from google sketch up into BVE form
has not truely been performed, is not possible at this time, and is "urban myth"?

If i recall, The proper method to go from sketch up to a usable BVE model is to export it to Blender (http://www.blender.org/) and then export it as a CSV file.  There might be another step, but i don't remember. The only problem is that a creation in sketch up, when exported for bve use, will contain too many polygons and will not be playable. The R46 is a special example because it was fine tuned and had many, many polygons removed from it, so that it will be playable.

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Object Conversion from 3DS Max into openBVE B3D file
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2013, 10:15:56 am »
It does seem that "Manuel 18" has discovered a method for
object conversion from 3DS Max into openBVE B3D format with very good results!!
http://bveworldwide.unlimitedboard.com/t828p15-manuel-high-speed-trains

Manuel 18 notes his method as this order:
> open object in program 3DS Max, then save/export to .3DS file format
> open .3DS file in program Milkshape 3D and repair texture issues, then save/export again to .3Ds format
> install Blender v2.46 (later versions do not work) and Blender-BVE import-export script from
http://koti.welho.com/tuusaare
to C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Aplication Data\Blender Foundation\Blender\.blender\scripts
> open .3DS file in program Blender v2.46, then save/export to .B3D file format with above script

Any one who may try this method, please do report your results here.
We may see if this is the alchemist formula for converting lead to gold!


« Last Edit: July 26, 2013, 04:47:13 pm by HijauKuda »

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Re: Creating a replica cab-assistance?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2013, 02:23:48 pm »
I've discovered long time ago, but there are issues already.

My first Shinkansen S500 had Already.

I'm going to Create a "Tutorial, because its a LARGE PROCESS".

Remember, i'm not the first one who really did it!.

However i've made 3D CABS for a Long time into Caracas Metro System.






Using 3DS MAX
BY FIRST TIME ON BVE HISTORY, A 3D Driver Texturized!





It doesn't matter who did it , if how he did it.
Myself :P

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Object Conversion from 3DS Max into openBVE B3D file
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2013, 04:56:34 pm »
Manuel hello!

Yes, a tutorial will be very welcome and useful in working through the details of object conversion.
Your 3D driver looks very good and is a primary breakthrough for openBVE, this could also be used for 3D passengers!
Can you animate his arms with the power and brake handles?
May be he could speak swear words when passengers are slow to board, LOL!
I do wonder the effect on FPS for converted objects?

Good day for you.

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Re: Object Conversion from 3DS Max into openBVE B3D file
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2013, 08:04:17 pm »
Manuel hello!

Yes, a tutorial will be very welcome and useful in working through the details of object conversion.
Your 3D driver looks very good and is a primary breakthrough for openBVE, this could also be used for 3D passengers!
Can you animate his arms with the power and brake handles?
May be he could speak swear words when passengers are slow to board, LOL!
I do wonder the effect on FPS for converted objects?

Good day for you.

Are you overmind! ? , that is insane!, Its impostible animate them!, i can't imagine the infinite Rotation and Translation movements to do that!

Talking about FPS, could be a good idea make them , Passengers Sit and on foot, but will be very poor detailed!.



It doesn't matter who did it , if how he did it.
Myself :P