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Community => Transit => Topic started by: Andres on July 13, 2011, 02:27:59 pm

Title: If The IND Second System Had Gone Through
Post by: Andres on July 13, 2011, 02:27:59 pm

If The IND Second System had gone through as planned with no delays or distractions or depressions etc.... our subway system would have been different. you would not have had to walk more than a couple of blocks of your house to catch a train and the subway would even have reached into long island and possibly Westchester County. but along with those changes many lines would have changed. here some for example

---IRT White Plains Line (2) (5) and Dyre Branch in the bronx would have been IND, the cars used would have been B Division standards
---IND Second Avenue Subway would have connected to the IRT White Plains Road Line and the Second Avenue Line would have stretched all the way to throgs neck.
---The (A) would never have gone to the Rockaway's
---The (E) would have gone to Voorhies Avenue in brooklyn to my understanding
---And several branch lines to Staten Island

so if the IND Second System would have gone through would you like the system and think it would be more efficient than it is now?

IND Second System Plans Pre-1930
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/1929_IND_Second_System.jpg)
IND Second System Plans Circa 1930
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/1939_IND_Second_System.jpg)

Title: Re: If The IND Second System Had Gone Through
Post by: bve on July 13, 2011, 02:32:43 pm

If it was built I wouldn't have to take the bus or walk od blocks to just reach the subway :P

Title: Re: If The IND Second System Had Gone Through
Post by: Pacific385 on July 13, 2011, 04:01:50 pm

It might've been more successful, it would all depend how it was maintained throughout time. However, they should've expanded the Fort Hamilton Pkwy line further into S.I.

Title: Re: If The IND Second System Had Gone Through
Post by: error46146 on July 13, 2011, 10:49:38 pm

Obviously if the IND 2nd System was built the subway would be much bigger and service many more areas..maintenance would be a lot higher too though..

Unfortunately these plans will never be able to go through now because of the NIMBY attitude people have these days - the most the MTA can ever accomplish is perhaps creating light-rail routes (similar to HBLR)

Title: Re: If The IND Second System Had Gone Through
Post by: BStyles on July 14, 2011, 01:58:38 pm

Yeah, and also, at the time, prices were very cheap, for construction, which is why New York has some very classy art-deco skyscrapers.

The budget for the IND Second System, in 1929-1939, loomed somewhere around 400 Million. In today's money, if you add the fact of how much the Dollar has inflated, and prices for construction, multiplied with the current economical status, it could very well escalate to well over 20 Billion.

Well, there is always the NYCTBA IND Second System.  :P

Title: Re: If The IND Second System Had Gone Through
Post by: Rayvon on July 15, 2011, 02:25:22 pm

that Morningside Ave line would've been the wave though lol