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BVE => BVE/OpenBVE Support => Topic started by: Dr. Subway18 on January 14, 2012, 11:02:26 pm
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I have about 20 Min's or so of NYCTA cab radio conversations, id like to place this sound in the Cab ONLY and would like to know how to.Any help would be much appreciated, if you want the sounds you can have them also if your building a cab.
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I'm not sure if this is possible, to make the sound only play in cab view and not exterior view, however it could be somewhat possible if we could make a range of sound so small that it can only be heard when the camera of the exterior view SPOT on in the spot where the cab view camera is situated, so you could hear it in cab view and only in exterior view if you are in the operator's seat spot
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ill just include the sounds in the train file in case someone wants to try that but if i get a good calm evening ill try it myself
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ill just include the sounds in the train file in case someone wants to try that but if i get a good calm evening ill try it myself
Isn't it illegal to get recordings of transmissions? :o if so then I suggest to not release this in the public, because I know the NY State law is that you cannot record radio transmissions. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not 100% sure
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ill just include the sounds in the train file in case someone wants to try that but if i get a good calm evening ill try it myself
Isn't it illegal to get recordings of transmissions? :o if so then I suggest to not release this in the public, because I know the NY State law is that you cannot record radio transmissions. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not 100% sure
IDK if it is, down here it isn't, we listen to Norfolk southern and CSX all day and record it if we wanted, BUT if you interfer with the transmissions you will pay a nice big fine and do some federal jail time as its like messing with ATCs. but ill find out before i release it ;) ,but i have tons of the stuff from MSTS
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got this from yahoo answers "No. Your state is on the list of states that require you to notify the other party that they're being recorded:
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is it illegal to record NYC transit radio conversations?
It depends. The most common issue is whether a conversation is private; most statutes only cover confidential or private communication. A general rule is that if the people engaged in the conversation can reasonably expect their conversation to remain private, then the statute protects that conversation. Courts normally consider telephone conversations to be private.
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The (A) Lefferts Shuttle had some radio chatter, but those were recorded exclusively for the route. We never had REAL radio conversations before, so this might be interesting. But, of course, you have to take the law into consideration.
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The (A) Lefferts Shuttle had some radio chatter, but those were recorded exclusively for the route. We never had REAL radio conversations before, so this might be interesting. But, of course, you have to take the law into consideration.
I'm going to take the simple way out, Tuesday I'm calling NY transit and asking them, well I know for a fact that they are actual and I'm going to mention that i have recordings and wont be doing any.
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The (A) Lefferts Shuttle had some radio chatter, but those were recorded exclusively for the route. We never had REAL radio conversations before, so this might be interesting. But, of course, you have to take the law into consideration.
I'm going to take the simple way out, Tuesday I'm calling NY transit and asking them, well I know for a fact that they are actual and I'm going to mention that i have recordings and wont be doing any.
I dont think thats a good idea... Youre going to probably get arrested if you tell them you have radio converstaions. FCC can go after you
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Im just gonna do it, i have a Acut and Bcut radio operators license lol and i dont even know this, but ill ask in future tense just to be sure i dont get locked away.
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From what I believe; listening, recording and using radio chatter is still listed as eavesdropping to the FCC. According to Federal state laws, it is illegal to even do any of the above without consent from the MTA or unless you are the government themselves.
Asking in future tense won't do much good anyway, they would still have suspicious-ion on you afterwards for even asking the question.
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From what I believe; listening, recording and using radio chatter is still listed as eavesdropping to the FCC. According to Federal state laws, it is illegal to even do any of the above without consent from the MTA or unless you are the government themselves.
Asking in future tense won't do much good anyway, they would still have suspicious-ion on you afterwards for even asking the question.
well said, and be advised there may be people affiliated with the FCC, or the police dept here, as under covered so yeah... bad idea of putting radio recordings on routes lol
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I'd rather not..the NYPD has been cracking down on inappropriate radio/scanner usage especially within the railfan community lately.. And as far as I know yes it is a violation of NY State law to record radio transmissions without authorization.
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Well i contacted the source of the recording and he told me he has proof that the recordings were allowed by MTA NY, lol and he said that in order to release it on another program he would have to email me the Variance papers which shows it was legal. he said without those orders it would be considered illegal. like a car with no registration, without a presentation of proof, it still wont be considered registered. Very good topic for future reference
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After consulting with an friend of mine (NYPD), it's illegal but with a double-edged sword type of illegal. As known, people no matter what will listen on to radio chatters of various channels. But to record and distribute is highly illegal without authorization, meaning a signed legal document stating it was allowed. Thus also forging such documents are also highly illegal.
The person you were talking to may have said it was fine, but you probably misunderstood the statement as they wouldn't know if you were listening to them or not over their channels; unless they were really cracking down on you. I still highly suggest you do not record and implement them to a route.
Another note, you said you contacted the source of recording? Unless the source was approved by the FCC or FCC themselves, I wouldn't take their word for it. Remember, in most cases like these, FCC rules over whatever rule MTA might allow or disallow according to radio transmissions.
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If I were you I wouldn't put real NYCTA transmissions on BVE content.
If you wish, we can record some simulated radio chatter on teamspeak. That is the best thing to do really.
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After consulting with an friend of mine (NYPD), it's illegal but with a double-edged sword type of illegal. As known, people no matter what will listen on to radio chatters of various channels. But to record and distribute is highly illegal without authorization, meaning a signed legal document stating it was allowed. Thus also forging such documents are also highly illegal.
The person you were talking to may have said it was fine, but you probably misunderstood the statement as they wouldn't know if you were listening to them or not over their channels; unless they were really cracking down on you. I still highly suggest you do not record and implement them to a route.
Another note, you said you contacted the source of recording? Unless the source was approved by the FCC or FCC themselves, I wouldn't take their word for it. Remember, in most cases like these, FCC rules over whatever rule MTA might allow or disallow according to radio transmissions.
Ill just keep that in mind, i can ask a Sergent here at the FCC fort Gordon communications, if he says its legal then ill ask MTA maby, if they say yes then ill use them for personal use. if that is a fact with FCC rules then Absolutely no conversation can be recorded even if its for only a simulator purpose. if you say its a personal convo then once it gets in the air FCC can rule it. and Owner Has written signature from MTA so this would be more of a FCC/ NYPD law. NYPD is super strict, i would expect that from a police state thou. If the FCC says its OK ill personally take a trip to Atlanta and ask MARTA first hand can i use their audio for trainsim/subway Sim purposes ONLY. then everything will be legal. The source of the audio comes from MTA itself because scanning and recording is illegal. The party that has it has MTAs offical written authorization to use it
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If I were you I wouldn't put real NYCTA transmissions on BVE content.
If you wish, we can record some simulated radio chatter on teamspeak. That is the best thing to do really.
I agree, it was just a thing i was thinking and it got really interesting. but do you have simulated conversations already? do you know how to put them in the cab only? or would you have to put them in the line itself?
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The FCC rules for FRS and GMRS frequencies apply to the territorial United States. If you use these radios in another country's jurisdiction, you'll be subject to its laws and regulations.
so in a nut shell whatever NY says gos but only in NY they can rule. I think ill get some recordings from MARTA (Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority) if they sound good and im allowed to by them.
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Title 47 of the US Code, Chapter 5, Subchapter VI, Section 605 part six (6) states that
on demand of other lawful authority. No person not being authorized by the sender shall intercept any radio communication and divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such intercepted communication to any person. No person not being entitled thereto shall receive or assist in receiving any interstate or foreign communication by radio and use such communication (or any information therein contained) for his own benefit or for the benefit of another not entitled thereto. No person having received any intercepted radio communication or having become acquainted with the contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such communication (or any part thereof) knowing that such communication was intercepted, shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such communication (or any part thereof) or use such communication (or any information therein contained) for his own benefit or for the benefit of another not entitled thereto. This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing, or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens band radio operator.
There are some exceptions to this rule in part B
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000605----000-.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000605----000-.html)
However, I'm pretty sure the media breaks this rule every day :P
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The media does, but usually doesn't exploit to the public. I believe that's how news crews gets to incidents quickly by listening to the police chatter.