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Title: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: F train fan on October 04, 2011, 08:29:41 pm
excuse the language but it is true I mean my example is that this morning when I was on the B train
we waited at 135th street because there were locked doors the only thing we heard over the
speakers was "partner hold the train the doors are locked" I had the same experience in october
2010 at 161st street when someone held the doors and they just got stuck and not to mention
I mean anyone notice they are slowly starting to rust they aren't just shitty but also are starting
to get old what's next them looking like the R40's with duck tape holding it together
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: bve on October 04, 2011, 10:08:43 pm
excuse the language but it is true I mean my example is that this morning when I was on the B train
we waited at 135th street because there were locked doors the only thing we heard over the
speakers was "partner hold the train the doors are locked" I had the same experience in october
2010 at 161st street when someone held the doors and they just got stuck and not to mention
I mean anyone notice they are slowly starting to rust they aren't just shitty but also are starting
to get old what's next them looking like the R40's with duck tape holding it together

Well the MDBF numbers are getting to be a joke.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: error46146 on October 04, 2011, 11:55:08 pm
I like the R68..better than some other trains that we have..
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: R40R32 on October 05, 2011, 12:25:26 am
I agree but only 40% I like the R68s and R68A's
But the Issue I have is in my commute they are getting Rusty and they are seeming slower and so on
They are fine for now in my opinion I do I personally can agree with Error kinda
And if you do a search on the R68's The MTA does plan on making them NTT in 2015 or something around there
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: F train fan on October 05, 2011, 04:40:29 pm
I agree but only 40% I like the R68s and R68A's
But the Issue I have is in my commute they are getting Rusty and they are seeming slower and so on
They are fine for now in my opinion I do I personally can agree with Error kinda
And if you do a search on the R68's The MTA does plan on making them NTT in 2015 or something around there

 do you mean like a conversion like the R142A to the R188
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: bve on October 05, 2011, 04:48:38 pm
I agree but only 40% I like the R68s and R68A's
But the Issue I have is in my commute they are getting Rusty and they are seeming slower and so on
They are fine for now in my opinion I do I personally can agree with Error kinda
And if you do a search on the R68's The MTA does plan on making them NTT in 2015 or something around there

 do you mean like a conversion like the R142A to the R188

What he means is entirely different. The R142A's are NTT already. Those R68's would have to be completely redone. New trucks, install computers, etc.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: peacemak3r on October 05, 2011, 04:55:16 pm
From what I remember they were proposing the idea of converting the sign panels of the R68's to look like the R44/46's or something like that.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 05, 2011, 06:07:43 pm
The idea was to convert all the side and end signs to NTT type, install FINDs, and implement a system for automated announcements.

IDK if the plan is still alive though.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Slants4Lyfe on October 05, 2011, 06:15:35 pm
The idea was to convert all the side and end signs to NTT type, install FINDs, and implement a system for automated announcements.

IDK if the plan is still alive though.

I really hope they don't, If they wanted to do that, then why just wait for the R179 order, or even better, why didn't Concourse be apart of the R160 Order? if they wanted to (NTT'ified) the R68, i would rather ride a R160 (B) or (D)
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: peacemak3r on October 05, 2011, 06:25:52 pm
I'm sure installing parts to a not that old train would be more cost efficient then ordering a new fleet.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Fox-179 on October 05, 2011, 06:30:03 pm
I doubt they're getting rusty(stainless steel) also most if not all 68's got a repainted face(bonnet).
Age maybe catching up to them but trains have their problems they aren't perfect ya know.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 05, 2011, 06:35:13 pm
The biggest problem right now on the R68As (and some R68s) is that the brakes are VERY finicky and take a long time to release. Of the 6 station under/overruns I have seen, 5 of them were R68As and the 6th was an R68.

I doubt they're getting rusty(stainless steel) also most if not all 68's got a repainted face(bonnet).
Age maybe catching up to them but trains have their problems they aren't perfect ya know.
Actually stainless steel does rust, just not as easily. Without maintenance a stainless steel carbody will also succumb to corrosion.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Smooth23 on October 05, 2011, 08:02:00 pm
I was on a R68 that overran Fordham and the motorman had to come out the cab just to see how bad he overran it. He even threw on the emergency brake and the train was a door and half over the station at Fordham station.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 05, 2011, 08:20:32 pm
I've seen a fairly high amount of near-over/underruns in the R68As.
T/Os let go of the brakes halfway through the station and pull for some more air but nothing happens, almost always ended up with really heavy full service braking at the VERY last second and maybe a curse heard from the cab. I've seen that happen countless times.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: jagenigma on October 05, 2011, 08:47:22 pm
I still like the R68's as i grew up with them on the N line when i lived in Astoria, I know they look obese but just something about them that no other train has, it looks like the inside of a R46 but with a stainless steel interior, and it has the propulsion of the R62A, meanwhile the R160's are rusting as well, and they have only been in service for the past 5 years or so, and the seals at the end of the cabs look like they are about to come off.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 05, 2011, 08:58:29 pm
While I don't like the R68As, the R68s are really nice during a cold winter day when you are sitting at a window seat and tired. They always seem to have excellent heating and A/C.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: F train fan on October 05, 2011, 09:03:59 pm
I still like the R68's as i grew up with them on the N line when i lived in Astoria, I know they look obese but just something about them that no other train has, it looks like the inside of a R46 but with a stainless steel interior, and it has the propulsion of the R62A, meanwhile the R160's are rusting as well, and they have only been in service for the past 5 years or so, and the seals at the end of the cabs look like they are about to come off.
I am not dissing the R68/A I agree that they have special qualities about them and they beat the R160
as the best train any day but what I am saying is that they are getting to be old rusty and someone
brought up that they have bad breaks now and they rocked it on the N,Q, and W but the D,B are killing
the fleet and it is starting to suck I agree with you that the R160's are starting to go through the same
thing even though they are the youngest fleet in the system thus far and now they are starting to get
old and shitty too give it time the NTT I am certain they will improve the technology and the more trains
they make the better they would get but at this point we have to give it time the R160 is in service but
it is only mainly a test of NTT give it time but overall I agree with you 100%   


Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 05, 2011, 09:26:08 pm
they rocked it on the N,Q, and W but the D, B are killing the fleet
how can the B line be killing the R68/As if it is a part time line? Many of the R68/As that run on the B rest in the yard on the weekends.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Slants4Lyfe on October 05, 2011, 09:28:51 pm
they rocked it on the N,Q, and W but the D, B are killing the fleet
how can the B line be killing the R68/As if it is a part time line? Many of the R68/As that run on the B rest in the yard on the weekends.

Or on the (N) and (Q)
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: bve on October 05, 2011, 09:50:07 pm
I still like the R68's as i grew up with them on the N line when i lived in Astoria, I know they look obese but just something about them that no other train has, it looks like the inside of a R46 but with a stainless steel interior, and it has the propulsion of the R62A, meanwhile the R160's are rusting as well, and they have only been in service for the past 5 years or so, and the seals at the end of the cabs look like they are about to come off.

What you may be looking at is actually steal dust.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 05, 2011, 09:55:16 pm
That brown substance that can be seen on some of the NTTs is not rust as many foamers wish it is. It is steel dust.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: peacemak3r on October 05, 2011, 11:02:40 pm
Actually stainless steel does rust, just not as easily. Without maintenance a stainless steel carbody will also succumb to corrosion.

Correct, stainless steel still rusts, just at a slower pace.  I had a stainless steel exhaust rust on me after 4 winters.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: pitor160 on October 06, 2011, 06:58:46 pm
The R142 is gettin converted to R188 and R160 to R179 so yea soon every line is gonna hav NTT
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 06, 2011, 07:22:28 pm
The R142 is gettin converted to R188 and R160 to R179 so yea soon every line is gonna hav NTT
None of the R142s are being converted to R188s. Only a small handful of R142As are being converted.

And none of the R160s are being converted to R179s.

Until the R68/As retire (unless they retire before the R62/As), the system will not be all NTT.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: R62A 2067 on October 06, 2011, 08:42:04 pm
The R142 is gettin converted to R188 and R160 to R179 so yea soon every line is gonna hav NTT
None of the R142s are being converted to R188s. Only a small handful of R142As are being converted.

And none of the R160s are being converted to R179s.

Until the R68/As retire (unless they retire before the R62/As), the system will not be all NTT.

...which would be about 20 years from now..
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Lance on October 06, 2011, 09:02:17 pm
Only a small handful of R142As are being converted.

I wouldn't call 350 R142A conversions a "small handful". Just sayin'.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: Dj Hammers on October 06, 2011, 09:36:11 pm
Actually its 10 R142As to be converted and the rest is newly-built R188s in the current contract.

The option order that the MTA might take may increase the amount of R142As converted.
Title: Re: does any one think R68's are getting shitty
Post by: bve on October 06, 2011, 11:15:57 pm
The R142 is gettin converted to R188 and R160 to R179 so yea soon every line is gonna hav NTT

This info is soo bogus smh...