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Community => Transit => Topic started by: Ztraintobroad on September 12, 2011, 11:58:46 am
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Guys Do you know what is the next subway line to get eliminated?
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They are going to eliminate the (4)(5)(6)(7)(11) :P
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
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Guys Do you know what is the next subway line to get eliminated?
yea, im pretty sure to save money the MTA might demolish all existing els and fill up all open cuts [like the N] with water and use them as canals for ships and charge a heavy toll on that. Im also pretty sure the MTA will soon remove all Express service to save maintenance and crew costs . Also to save more money they will retrofit all r68s,R46 and even bring back the R44s to make them NTT compatible and retrofit them to look like the R160s Instead of ordering a new stock. Oh and they will stuf the r32s into the IRT by cutting them in half ,removing a portion and then welding them back together . And dont forget they are removing all HVACs and AC systems to save energy costs.
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Just a thought Ztrain, do you think of ironic stuff everyday and brainstorm on a post? lol
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I thought my reply was very reliable.
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starting Winter Pick they will pave over the train tracks on the Franklin Ave and 42nd St shuttle and run orion 4's on them
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Why Does The (C) Still Live? Why cant the Mta Bring Back The AA And Make it Local While The other (A) Is Express
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Why Does The (C) Still Live? Why cant the Mta Bring Back The AA And Make it Local While The other (A) Is Express
Honestly what difference would it be if it was a (C) or AA? It's still the same thing, plus C is easily more distinguishable then AA anyway.
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Why Does The (C) Still Live? Why cant the Mta Bring Back The AA And Make it Local While The other (A) Is Express
This makes absolutely NO sense! What difference does it make? Its still gonna be the same route as the (C). Not to mention they would have to change those rollsigns on the R32's. Might aswell leave the designation the way it is.
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Okay how about this
(C) Elimnated
(A) Local To Lefferts Blvd Weekdays 11:00 Am To 11 Pm
(A) Express To Far Rockway Weekends All Day
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The (N)(Q) Astoria Service will get cut next.The (N) will run to 71 Av replacing the (M) which will get cut back to 57-6th as a terminal.
The (Q) will run to 57th-7th.
People will need to transfer at 42nd for the (7) which everyother will run via the Astoria El saving money gap fillers will be installed.
Also when the RTS's get retired from WestFarms they will run on the Dyre cutting the Dyre (5)/(S) service.
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Why Does The (C) Still Live? Why cant the Mta Bring Back The AA And Make it Local While The other (A) Is Express
k that was the NYCTA... The AA becakse the K in the 80's and it ran LIKE THE C but ended at World Trade instead of Euclid Ave. Also, the double letter system was done away with for various reasons, including tourists. Also, what are you gonna do with the Fulton Local?
Okay how about this
(C) Elimnated
(A) Local To Lefferts Blvd Weekdays 11:00 Am To 11 Pm
(A) Express To Far Rockway Weekends All Day
Too long of a route, and how will people easily know the difference between each one?
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Okay how about this
(C) Elimnated
(A) Local To Lefferts Blvd Weekdays 11:00 Am To 11 Pm
(A) Express To Far Rockway Weekends All Day
Too long of a route, and how will people easily know the difference between each one?
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It's not too long of a route.(A) local all the way to Lefferts the hell latenights the (A) is FULLY LOCAL to FarRock.People will tell the difference the sameway they do now look at the LCD/rollsigns,listen to announcements and or read the platform signs.
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Okay how about this
(C) Elimnated
(A) Local To Lefferts Blvd Weekdays 11:00 Am To 11 Pm
(A) Express To Far Rockway Weekends All Day
Too long of a route, and how will people easily know the difference between each one?
It's not too long of a route.(A) local all the way to Lefferts the hell latenights the (A) is FULLY LOCAL to FarRock.People will tell the difference the sameway they do now look at the LCD/rollsigns,listen to announcements and or read the platform signs.
[/quote]you gotta remember that there are some people who don't take the time to read. I also know it's not impossible to run, but it's late nights for a reason
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they are gunna extend the 7 to Philadelphia and cut out every other IND BMT line... smh we wont know what line is next to die....
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they are gunna extend the 7 to Philadelphia and cut out every other IND BMT line... smh we wont know what line is next to die....
They're also gonna extend the (1) to Miami. The 2 is gonna go to Europe, the 3 is gonna loop and go to LA, and the Lex goes with these. Northbound, the 6 is going to Canada, the 2 5 and 1 are going to Toronto, and the 4 is gonna go to Quebec. the IND and BMT are still in the planning stages
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lololololol ;D
wow
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What i would propose is
Get rid of the B because it is only run on weekdays and it slows down early morning C service because the B and C run on the same line up to 145th and because the B terminates most of the time at 145th it takes 10 minutes on weekdays to get a C train
get rid of the A to Lefferts and replace with the C and run the C full time basically C from 168th Street to Lefferts blvd and the A from 207th Street to Far Rockaway, that will avoid any kind of confusion that any tourists may have, and add more C trains to the early morning rush.
but what will the MTA do? not anything i said even though it makes some more sense.
if i were to think of a train line that may soon be cut i would have to say probably the B, it is useless in my opinion and it only slows down C service
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@jagenigma u r so very right dude why would they eliminate the B train if it only runs on weekdays, put more C trains and put r160s in the A and C lines. the C trains on early am/pm rush hours like they do in jersey city ( where i live ) on the 87 buses the made all buses run from gates avenue to journal square and some to hoboken and they should run at all times local the entire route while the A is express even late nights
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Don't forget due to construction around the International Space Station Complex, all M service is re-routed through the Jupiter-Mars bypass line until February 30th, 2014, so they need the A line to fill in on the local asteroid belt service. With the incoming changes to F service, it is likely that F trains will be routed to Jupiter-46th Street to relieve some pressure off of the A line.
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What i would propose is
Get rid of the B because it is only run on weekdays and it slows down early morning C service because the B and C run on the same line up to 145th and because the B terminates most of the time at 145th it takes 10 minutes on weekdays to get a C train
get rid of the A to Lefferts and replace with the C and run the C full time basically C from 168th Street to Lefferts blvd and the A from 207th Street to Far Rockaway, that will avoid any kind of confusion that any tourists may have, and add more C trains to the early morning rush.
but what will the MTA do? not anything i said even though it makes some more sense.
if i were to think of a train line that may soon be cut i would have to say probably the B, it is useless in my opinion and it only slows down C service
It's useless, wow SMDHHH! Tell that to Brighton Riders. They would wip out their pitch forks and the meanest chainsaws and just rip you to shreds.
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Don't forget due to construction around the International Space Station Complex, all M service is re-routed through the Jupiter-Mars bypass line until February 30th, 2014, so they need the A line to fill in on the local asteroid belt service. With the incoming changes to F service, it is likely that F trains will be routed to Jupiter-46th Street to relieve some pressure off of the A line.
Didn't you hear? They extended that until April of 3247! Also, since the new cars don't support that, they're gonna get the R36's out of the ocean, as well as the R38's, put the back together, put propellers on them and send them on their way
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Now we are going off topic here
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Now we are going off topic here
You can say that again :P
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What i would propose is
Get rid of the B because it is only run on weekdays and it slows down early morning C service because the B and C run on the same line up to 145th and because the B terminates most of the time at 145th it takes 10 minutes on weekdays to get a C train
get rid of the A to Lefferts and replace with the C and run the C full time basically C from 168th Street to Lefferts blvd and the A from 207th Street to Far Rockaway, that will avoid any kind of confusion that any tourists may have, and add more C trains to the early morning rush.
but what will the MTA do? not anything i said even though it makes some more sense.
if i were to think of a train line that may soon be cut i would have to say probably the B, it is useless in my opinion and it only slows down C service
It's useless, wow SMDHHH! Tell that to Brighton Riders. They would whip out their pitch forks and the meanest chainsaws and just rip you to shreds.
you can take the Q train from coney island to 42nd street and then get on the C uptown and vice-versa and that would make the B useless for any stops missed from the B, the E to D transfer in 7th Ave 53rd Street should cover any missed stops in manhattan south of 59th street and north of Grand street. The Q covers the brighton line.
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you can take the Q train from coney island to 42nd street and then get on the C uptown and vice-versa and that would make the B useless for any stops missed from the B, the E to D transfer in 7th Ave 53rd Street should cover any missed stops in manhattan south of 59th street and north of Grand street. The Q covers the brighton line.
Are you crazy? Have you ever taken the Brighton from 630AM-900AM consistently? We need the (B), the (Q) takes forever until it gets to Prospect. Maybe it made a little sense to take the (B) out during the station renovations because it still took forever to get from any lower stations to Prospect.
Taking out the Brighton Express would be the biggest mistake since making the movie Speed 2.
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you can take the Q train from coney island to 42nd street and then get on the C uptown and vice-versa and that would make the B useless for any stops missed from the B, the E to D transfer in 7th Ave 53rd Street should cover any missed stops in manhattan south of 59th street and north of Grand street. The Q covers the brighton line.
Are you crazy? Have you ever taken the Brighton from 630AM-900AM consistently? We need the (B), the (Q) takes forever until it gets to Prospect. Maybe it made a little sense to take the (B) out during the station renovations because it still took forever to get from any lower stations to Prospect.
Taking out the Brighton Express would be the biggest mistake since making the movie Speed 2.
Lol. Forreal cause I aint waiting that long plus I aint doing that damn voyage across the 5 boroughs lol
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What i would propose is
Get rid of the B because it is only run on weekdays and it slows down early morning C service because the B and C run on the same line up to 145th and because the B terminates most of the time at 145th it takes 10 minutes on weekdays to get a C train
get rid of the A to Lefferts and replace with the C and run the C full time basically C from 168th Street to Lefferts blvd and the A from 207th Street to Far Rockaway, that will avoid any kind of confusion that any tourists may have, and add more C trains to the early morning rush.
but what will the MTA do? not anything i said even though it makes some more sense.
if i were to think of a train line that may soon be cut i would have to say probably the B, it is useless in my opinion and it only slows down C service
that is quite a selfish thought there, getting rid of the B just because it may hold up the C train.. do you know how many people will be affected by the loss of the B train service? the B should be a 24/7 route if you ask me.
the B imo is more important to Brooklyn than it is to uptown Manhattan or the Bronx, hence why it terminates at 145th instead of 168th or 205th-Norwood
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Okay, I see your points, and it would be better if the MTA ran the B 24/7 as opposed to how limited it already runs but it should run all the way to Norwood 205th Street local and D service should be Express in the Bronx, but do you agree with my A and C train plan?
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Okay, I see your points, and it would be better if the MTA ran the B 24/7 as opposed to how limited it already runs but it should run all the way to Norwood 205th Street local and D service should be Express in the Bronx, but do you agree with my A and C train plan?
The (D) only runs EXP at Peak hours, plus its not a 4 track it's a 3 track, The B can go to 168 or Bedford Park Blvd, the B already ran 24/7 back in the day it wouldn't be a problem but think moneywise.
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Okay, I see your points, and it would be better if the MTA ran the B 24/7 as opposed to how limited it already runs but it should run all the way to Norwood 205th Street local and D service should be Express in the Bronx, but do you agree with my A and C train plan?
The (D) only runs EXP at Peak hours, plus its not a 4 track it's a 3 track, The B can go to 168 or Bedford Park Blvd, the B already ran 24/7 back in the day it wouldn't be a problem but think moneywise.
Since when does the D use the EXP track? all i see is a bunch of R trains heading towards the yard or going into service. the B and D are fine the way they are, since Brighton Express is coming back the B has no problems whatsoever. what really needs to get improved is the 4 Ave line and Broadway line. The R is a long ass line and in terms of headways, they pretty suck. what i really think needs to get done is the SAS complete up to 96 St. Have the Q extend up there, and Bring back the W from Astoria to 95 St via the R. and have the N run EXP again via Broadway. that way less crowding in Manhattan and Brooklyn and a extra local in Brooklyn as well for people who rely on he R so much.
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Okay, I see your points, and it would be better if the MTA ran the B 24/7 as opposed to how limited it already runs but it should run all the way to Norwood 205th Street local and D service should be Express in the Bronx, but do you agree with my A and C train plan?
I completely agree with you about running the B 24/7. The B line is pretty much the only line that provides a swift, quick, and efficient ride to and from South Brooklyn. It can save almost 15 minutes off a trip. If the MTA had the resources, running the B 24/7 or at least 18/7 would greatly benefit the quality of life in South Brooklyn.
However both the B and the D can not terminate at 205th Street because there is not enough capacity there to turn around 2 full service lines.
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The 1 will be extended to Miami, 2 to Philly, 3 to hell, 4 to Quebec, 5 to Toronto, 6 to LA, 7 to the Bahamas, 8 to Europe, 9 to Asia, 10 to south america, and 11 to africa.
This is what it is now in 3000, there are no such things as bmt/ind.
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The 1 will be extended to Miami, 2 to Philly, 3 to hell, 4 to Quebec, 5 to Toronto, 6 to LA, 7 to the Bahamas, 8 to Europe, 9 to Asia, 10 to south america, and 11 to africa.
This is what it is now in 3000, there are no such things as bmt/ind.
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The 1 will be extended to Miami, 2 to Philly, 3 to hell, 4 to Quebec, 5 to Toronto, 6 to LA, 7 to the Bahamas, 8 to Europe, 9 to Asia, 10 to south america, and 11 to africa.
This is what it is now in 3000, there are no such things as bmt/ind.
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....you can say that to this thread...
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The 1 will be extended to Miami, 2 to Philly, 3 to hell, 4 to Quebec, 5 to Toronto, 6 to LA, 7 to the Bahamas, 8 to Europe, 9 to Asia, 10 to south america, and 11 to africa.
This is what it is now in 3000, there are no such things as bmt/ind.
I do agree that the thread went over board here and there, but this post totally killed it.
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The 1 will be extended to Miami, 2 to Philly, 3 to hell, 4 to Quebec, 5 to Toronto, 6 to LA, 7 to the Bahamas, 8 to Europe, 9 to Asia, 10 to south america, and 11 to africa.
This is what it is now in 3000, there are no such things as bmt/ind.
I do agree that the thread went over board here and there, but this post totally killed it.
Yeah that attempted joke pretty much killed it...
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I agree. It was a LITTLE funny at first, but it is not funny anymore.
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The 1 will be extended to Miami, 2 to Philly, 3 to hell, 4 to Quebec, 5 to Toronto, 6 to LA, 7 to the Bahamas, 8 to Europe, 9 to Asia, 10 to south america, and 11 to africa.
This is what it is now in 3000, there are no such things as bmt/ind.
I do agree that the thread went over board here and there, but this post totally killed it.
Yeah that attempted joke pretty much killed it...
mhm...
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from a realistic point of view:
Potential Candidates that can be removed:
(Q) - the N train serves all of it's stations, basically
(Z) - the J train serves all of it's stations, basically
(D) - shares same terminal as the B in the Bronx and Manhattan. the G, if trackage permits, can take over the D in brooklyn, as it will not be possible through the B.
Potential candidates that CAN face a reroute:
(A) - can be permanently assigned a single terminal, either Lefferts blvd, Rockaway Park, or Far Rockaway, rather than 3
(B) - should the current Q be eliminated, the B can terminate in Coney Island.
(C) - can be extended from Euclid ave, to either Lefferts blvd, Rockaway Park, or Far Rockaway. Late nights, it can run as a shuttle from Euclid Ave, instead of it's current Manhattan Terminal.
(4) and (5) - can permanently terminate at Bowling Green, as a cost saving measure, rather than Brooklyn, with the (2) and (3) retaining these Brooklyn terminals.
Rockaway (S) - should the A or C terminate in Far Rockaway (the other terminating in Lefferts Blvd), it can run as a full-time shuttle. it can also be re-lettered as it's fomer H letter, or as a K, respectively.
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You can't take the (Q) out, you can't replace the (Q) with having the (B) running local. My side of Brooklyn will have a war after that. Brighton riders need that express, we don't like having the local from Sheepshead Bay to Prospect, it's bad enough we have both trains running local all the way up because of the renovations. (They've reopened Ave M and Ave H for those who doesn't know.)
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You can't take the (Q) out, you can't replace the (Q) with having the (B) running local. My side of Brooklyn will have a war after that. Brighton riders need that express, we don't like having the local from Sheepshead Bay to Prospect, it's bad enough we have both trains running local all the way up because of the renovations. (They've reopened Ave M and Ave H for those who doesn't know.)
yeah, just saying what could be possibly removed, not that it will be eliminated. i mean pretty much the current (Q) replaces the (W)
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The (B)(Q) could never possibly be removed, the only ways they can be removed is if there is another service that would take it's place. Like I've said many times in this thread, you definitely need a weekday express service in Brighton, maybe not so much a weekend, but definitely a weekday service. Plus you definitely need a Broadway/6th Service in that section.
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in terms of the B and Q can't the <Q> train be brought back or make the B local and make a <B> train as for broadway service isn't there already
broadway transfers that are available
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in terms of the B and Q can't the <Q> train be brought back or make the B local and make a <B> train as for broadway service isn't there already
broadway transfers that are available
What would be the point of the <Q>? If you're in a rush to get somewhere from Brighton to Bway, take the (B) to Atlantic and get a (N) or (Q).
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There is no point anymore for a diamond route on the Brighton.
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okay how about this?
(G) Extened To Coney Island Via Cluver Lcl While The (F) Is Starting To Run Via Cluver Super Express
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Wait i just Thought of something how come the station West 8th St (F)(Q) Is Ny Auraqruim? It Should Be West 8th St-Luna Park
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the B did run on the Broadway line for a while during the late 80s..there's a reason why they didn't keep it like that lol
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Wait i just Thought of something how come the station West 8th St (F)(Q) Is Ny Auraqruim? It Should Be West 8th St-Luna Park
It's because two of the entrance's leads directly to the aquarium. One leads to the F level and the other to the Q level. Besides its like right across the street from the aquarium anyway.
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the B did run on the Broadway line for a while during the late 80s..there's a reason why they didn't keep it like that lol
It's the same reason the (W) was truncated to Whitehall St in 2004. After the north tracks of the Manhattan Bridge reopened, riders wanted their Sixth Avenue service back, not Broadway.
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The (B) should run 24/7 as agreed by all. The thing is I doubt any lines would be eliminated I mean look at the current state we are in. They removed the (V) and (W) and now we are getting the (T). I personally think that the (W) should come back due to the fact that the (Q) will no longer be in Astoria. Secondly the (R) and (W) should be based out of 95th Street - Bay Ridge and have the (W) go back to Astoria. The (N) should be Broadway Express. That way the service would be faster and everyone isnt scrambling at 14th Street for a damn (Q) train. Instead of terminating the (B) late nights just have them run out of 145th until the 6am to 9pm rush when the (D) is express towards Manhattan from 205th Street. However, in the evening the (D) should have West End express service towards Manhattan since people usually go out at night. My opinion.
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I don't think the (B) needs 24/7 service. The (A), (D) and (Q) are plenty good by themselves during the overnight hours. Now, what they could do is have the (B) run to 145 St evenings at its current midday schedule and limited service (every 15-20 minutes) on weekends for riders who want Sixth Avenue service from Brighton and vice-versa. Of course, this is just an idea I'm throwing out there and I'm well aware of the agency's financial constraints. Please don't point that out.
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I don't think the (B) needs 24/7 service. The (A), (D) and (Q) are plenty good by themselves during the overnight hours. Now, what they could do is have the (B) run to 145 St evenings at its current midday schedule and limited service (every 15-20 minutes) on weekends for riders who want Sixth Avenue service from Brighton and vice-versa. Of course, this is just an idea I'm throwing out there and I'm well aware of the agency's financial constraints. Please don't point that out.
i agree with lance , i believe that the B isnt required 24/7
but it is needed as an express on the weekends on the Brighton line. so my idea is to run it all week and not run it late nights .
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As a frequent Brighton rider, I don't really feel the need for the express on weekends actually. Weekdays, we definitely need it. It's packed train after packed train.
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As a frequent Brighton rider, I don't really feel the need for the express on weekends actually. Weekdays, we definitely need it. It's packed train after packed train.
Exactly and who would want the fastest way to get to Manhattan or Brighton Beach because they both are major Points of Intrests especially Herald Square, Harlem & Brighton Beach.
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the B train is now back as Brighton Express for those who care and the Q will remain local
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the B train is now back as Brighton Express for those who care and the Q will remain local
We have been knowing this, for at least 2 weeks before hand.
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I personally think the (B) should operate for a longer period of time serving the Bronx more.Before I moved upstate I rode the (B) to and from school everyday for a few years and I must say cutting the (B) at 7 or so to 145th is not good because IF you ride the (D) past 8 or 9 maybe even 10pm the trains are packed up the ass(not including Yankee game passengers) the majority people get off at 167th,Fordham,Kingsbridge and after that it's fairly empty.If that doesn't work maybe extra (D) service would be good.
(B) service should cut back in the AM around 8:30 the last train out BP is 8:58 I think.
For the PM the last train that to the Bronx arrived at 145th usually around 7:10 I think.It should serve the Bronx till at least 8 or 9 having the (D) exp or possible having the last 3 (B)'s run exp then they can deadhead and re-enter service at 145th.
24/7 isn't needed but definately longer hours are needed for the PM rush(I didn't say the AM rush because the Concourse riders have no consideration of the (B) it's empty from BP to 174th) and the (B) beat the (D) to 145th usually 125th and sometimes to 59th b\c the (A).
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I would just say terminate the A to Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park. Make A to Lefferts extend C to Far Rockaway and make 1 (S) to Rockaway Park then there will be no more clutter. Then make 4 extended to new lots and 3 terminates at Franklin Av. And make B 24/7 and extend to Coney Island
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I would just say terminate the A to Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park. Make A to Lefferts extend C to Far Rockaway and make 1 (S) to Rockaway Park then there will be no more clutter. Then make 4 extended to new lots and 3 terminates at Franklin Av. And make B 24/7 and extend to Coney Island
The 3 can not terminate at Franklin Avenue, there is no way it can relay from the southbound to the northbound track.
Also the B can not be extended to Coney Island because Coney Island can not handle both the Q and B trains at even minimum capacity.
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IF they build a station House at Ocean parkway, then it would be a good idea to terminate (B) trains to Ocean Parkway, in my opinion
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IF they build a station House at Ocean parkway, then it would be a good idea to terminate (B) trains to Ocean Parkway, in my opinion
I agree completely, terminating at Ocean Parkway gives better access to the bustling community in that area to quick service to Manhattan.
However IIRC, the crossover that trains terminating at Ocean Parkway would have to use is nearly right before Brighton Beach station. I've got a feeling that a new crossover closer to Ocean Parkway would have to be built to facilitate B service.
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I actually don't see a need to extend the B to Ocean Pkwy only because it doesn't have qualifying ridership from that station. That's from my observation.
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I actually don't see a need to extend the B to Ocean Pkwy only because it doesn't have qualifying ridership from that station. That's from my observation.
As I actually lived with some relatives near the Ocean Parkway station for 4 weeks this past summer, I can personally attest that during rush hours there is a fairly high amount of ridership at that station. Also having B trains at Ocean Parkway would reduce the amount of people getting on the Q in that area, which takes away seating from the many people who board at Sheepshead Bay and a couple of other local stations along the Q.
Also terminating at Ocean Parkway has some operations benefits that many laymen don't see.
If a train breaks down at a terminal (doesn't charge up, brakes won't release, handbrake stuck, etc.), select B trains can be terminated at Brighton Beach and sent in to the layup tracks with no disruption to service besides the loss of one stop for some trains.
I remember personally witnessing an incident in which that happened last year around July 2010. An R68A set (one I would have taken in to Manhattan) broke down at Brighton Beach, and B trains were backed up because only one track was available for terminating B trains.
I boarded a Q train instead, and damn was that Q train crowded. I felt sorry for the people getting on north of Brighton Beach. If the B terminated at Ocean Parkway that wouldn't have happened.
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During the summer Ocean Parkway is packed. The B termnating at Ocean Parkway woud be nice.
The A should terminate at Far Rockaway. The C should terminate at Lefferts Blvd., and the shuttle should terminate at Rockaway Park all times.
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only time they extend the B to CI is when Q need extra help (delayed service) so what they do is run it to CI then to the yard when done
IND / BMT R68 (B) and R160 (F) (Q) trains at West 8th Street (Brooklyn) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqGop4wNwU#ws)
so either way whether it happens or not they'll use some b to help out with the delayed service on the Q when packed