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Community => Transit => Topic started by: Slants4Lyfe on January 01, 2011, 09:49:37 pm
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Would You? Leave Your Reasons!!!
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I would say no... Because to me they are expensive, they look bad, and they would get vandalized and stuff... They might also fail...
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Yes and no.
Yes: it would seem cool, people wouldnt do suidice
No: videos would be messed up
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It won't work on the B Division until the car lengths are standardized but otherwise it *should* (though I gotta say, the MTA's priorities are a little screwy) at least be considered.
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As a modern safety feature, yes. I have seen children run around freely on platforms, thats a dangerous situation. During rush hours when passengers are transferring, and a express train is late, there is a huge crowd waiting on the platform, with almost no room to navigate, making it a very dangerous situation.
Of course its not possible because of the different car lengths and variety of train models here.
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Both.
Yes: Drunk Idiots will not fall off anymore, people with epilepsy won't have to risk falling, and it will protect the public
No: Expensive and people will spray on them, and I think people will also spit shit on them
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Yes, because you ain't run and fall down.
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I personally agree with the idea of full-height platform screen doors being installed in New York.
Yes, it will require standardised train lengths as well as precise stopping. It wouldn't be easy to stop exactly at the point where the train doors match the screen doors.
However, screen doors can prevent people from jumping onto the rails and thus allowing for smooth train traffic without much disruptions from these fatal incidents.
Platform screen doors are expensive to maintain. The screen doors require manpower to regularly clean it as it collects dust all the time. If any of the screen doors shatter, it will cost quite a huge sum of money to replace them.
Overall, I think the idea of platform screen doors is great for a long run, especially for subways with long networks of underground lines. You may choose half-height platform screen doors for elevated and at-grade stations, these are used in Sunny Bay station in Hong Kong as well as quite a number of elevated stations in Singapore.
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Platform Screen Doors at CC6 Stadium on the Circle Line [Underground].
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Half-Height Platform Screen Doors at EW26 Lakeside on the East West Line [Elevated].
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You'll have to consider lots of factors including reliability (Will they break down or get stuck too often), safety, compatibility (in terms of door locations on the train, technical compatibility, and car lengths), ventilation, and more.
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You'll have to consider lots of factors including reliability (Will they break down or get stuck too often), safety, compatibility (in terms of door locations on the train, technical compatibility, and car lengths), ventilation, and more.
Well, considering all the trash ppl throw... They would most likely get stuck...
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looking at the amount of fights that go on, I'm pretty sure they'll break pretty often
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i would say yes because this will help keep people safe from getting hurt, especially the childrens and the suicidal peoples. For example if a suicidal people want to suicide by getting hit by the train he won't be able to because the screen door is preventing him which this is good. Also many train have been delayed or stop because someone fell onto the track.
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Seeing how people act on the subway today, i can see glass doors to be a huge failure. Cracking would be rampant.
It's all just an accident waiting to happen...
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Would You? Leave Your Reasons!!!
2 Words - HELL NO.
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Some pros and cons of screen doors.
The screen doors would enhance the station looks if they look modern enough. They will provide safety to all communters also. This also lets the passengers know where the doors will be located at when the train comes, if they don't, that is.
However, in some instances they may fail, such that it fails to open or close. Sometimes it may cause major delays. If it cracks, it might injure communters as well. Screen doors will look ugly if they get vandalized and stuff.
If it's properly maintained and cleaned, I'd say a yes to this question. :)
Seeing how people act on the subway today, i can see glass doors to be a huge failure. Cracking would be rampant.
Screen doors did break before in Singapore actually... it did crack before.
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...and when they fail to operate properly
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lol so basically it is a "you can't win" situation. :P
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Considering the way people are today, I would have to also say no.
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I would say no because all things automatically/electronically powered will malfunction.And there maybe a time a train pulls and the screens would not open or vice-versa preventing entering and exiting.This will cause frustration by New Yorkers.Also think about it these things have 2 have some kind of force so a baby or someone can injure themselves whether its their hand,head arm but there are a lot of EDP's out there who will do something stupid.
Vandalism is another issue and people may stick gum or whatever on the glass.But all in all bad idea for the City that never sleeps.
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I would say no because all things automatically/electronically powered will malfunction.And there maybe a time a train pulls and the screens would not open or vice-versa preventing entering and exiting.This will cause frustration by New Yorkers.Also think about it these things have 2 have some kind of force so a baby or someone can injure themselves whether its their hand,head arm but there are a lot of EDP's out there who will do something stupid.
Vandalism is another issue and people may stick gum or whatever on the glass.But all in all bad idea for the City that never sleeps.
Same thing occurs on the train doors. Platform screen doors are simply another set of doors...
As for injuries thats where getting caught in the doors come in. Although now people know that there's a higher chance of getting stuck between the doors they'll figure out its more dangerous and would likely wait for the next train instead of holding them. I really don't know if people will do that, it may make it worse, or it may improve. We wont know until it is actually tried.
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That, and let's say there's an evacuation... I'm sure there'd be a way to open them manually, but I think it'll just slow it all down
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Yeah....I say yes for a few reasons.
1 - It will prevent the accumulation of garbage on the tracks. Platforms are easier and safer to clean rather than going down onto tracks and run the risk of getting electrocuted.
2 - It will prevent accidents such as people/inventory falling, and careless people risking their lives. We're not always going to have subway heroes. And, if you remember that ill-fated lady who jumped down to her death for a mere bag(I still think that was her fault), things like that the doors can prevent.
3 - The doors can also prevent the wind tunnel that a train causes as it enters the station. Wind tunnels can knock people off their feet.
4 - You really don't have to worry with the length of trains. IRT is fine, and so is BMT/IND with 10 car trains. The only real worry, now that I think about it, are 75 footers, but this can easily be remedied by placing more platform doors at different intervals. Overshooting seems to be the only major factor, but lines that have ATO and CBTC like the (L) would be the first choice for platform door testing.
5 - Ray brought up a very interesting point. There are parts of the five...I mean four boroughs that do have high levels of crime and therefore it would not be very wise to place glass platform doors at stations....why not plexiglass? In any case, MTA would lean towards plexiglass anyway, as a cost-cutting measure(you know how much they love that).
6 - If you're now hearing about vandalism on a transit system, then you must not ride transit often, or at all. Still, there are easy ways of removing graffiti from glass and stainless steel, a reason they were implemented in the first place. The MTA started putting plastic protectant on the glass of the trains, like a screen protector to a phone, and so far it has helped for as long as I've seen them.
7 - "In case of emergency, pull handle. Then push doors open." Works on the NJT Multilevels and all of the subway fleet. In fact, the Multilevels have a feature where you can remove the rubber around a window and easily just push it out. And i'm pretty sure that in case of an emergency, there would be no reason for the subway entrances/exits to be closed off. It's much more dangerous to walk in the tunnel.
8 - Everything mechanical fails at some point. Dead motors, service dump, spontaneous BIE, etc. As long as mankind makes machinery, there will always be one or two flaws. We can never expect that something will work on its first day, or over a long period of time.
That's just my two cents.
BStyles
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2 - It will prevent accidents such as people/inventory falling, and careless people risking their lives. We're not always going to have subway heroes. And, if you remember that ill-fated lady who jumped down to her death for a mere bag(I still think that was her fault), things like that the doors can prevent.
Precisely that, when a passenger gets "injured" millions of people are delayed just to help, rescue, pull out or do whatever just to save that person, and during rush hours too. Talk about suicidal people being selfish alright.
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7 - "In case of emergency, pull handle. Then push doors open." Works on the NJT Multilevels and all of the subway fleet. In fact, the Multilevels have a feature where you can remove the rubber around a window and easily just push it out. And i'm pretty sure that in case of an emergency, there would be no reason for the subway entrances/exits to be closed off. It's much more dangerous to walk in the tunnel.
An emergency ans in an emergency in the train in which the best way to exit would be going to the nearest platform. I still have my reasons to say no, but if it happens, it happens.
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Another reason for Yes: The call 12-9 will never need to be used again. When that lady was killed by the (6) train, I thought that if I was in the T/O's shoes. I would never get the images out of my head: the crunch, the screams, the frantic radio call and calls to 911, and leaving the train to inspect a mangled body, crushed head, etc. It would be part of your life forever. It's like being a cop, firing your weapon and killing the suspect. Even though it was for pure self defense, you will have to deal with fact for the rest of your life that you/your train killed a person.
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Its enough now as it , unnecessary 7 doors will block the space of woagon.