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BVE => General BVE/OpenBVE => Topic started by: Mkoyf on June 17, 2013, 05:12:34 pm
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The Inspiron 660s-772 is on sale for $199. Is this computer good for OpenBVE? Will it deliver the best of the best or like
Very bad? Let me know, Thanks guys
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Specifications
General Information
Series Inspiron
Model Number I660S-772BK
Lifestyle Home & Student
Color Black
Operating System
Operating System Microsoft Windows 8 Home
Case & Motherboard
Case Orientation Vertical
Processor
CPU Brand Intel
CPU Core Single-Core
CPU Type Celeron
CPU Speed G465 (1.9GHz)
Smart Cache 1.5MB
FSB 5 GT/s
CPU Socket LGA 1155
CPUs Installed 1
CPUs Supported 1
CPU Main Features Virtualization Technology
Hyper-Threading Technology
Idle States
Execute Disable Bit
Thermal Monitoring Technologies
Intel 64
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology
Intel Fast Memory Access
Intel Flex Memory Access
Intel VT-x with Extended Page Tables (EPT)
Memory
Total Memory 2GB
Memory Speed DDR3-1600
Form Factor 240-pin DIMM
Memory Configuration 1 x 2GB
Hard Drive
HD Capacity 500GB
HD Interface SATA
HD RPM 7,200 RPM
HD Configuration 1 x 500GB
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Not enough memory, and if it's integrated graphics then it's definitely a no go..
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That computer would lag in cab view.... openBVE would literally run like a slideshow in exterior view.....
You would give this type of computer to your grandma so that she could email you... not for gaming
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thanks guys for your advice,
which computer is both on the cheap side and works superb with openbve, gta 4, bus sims
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Well the price you pay is the price you get, and most computers you buys from Best Buy, Staples, etc. have integrated graphics, which can barely play anything. What I would suggest you to do is spend the least amount of money on a computer that has a PCI-E x16 slot and buy a decent graphics card and make sure it has 2GB+ of Ram and sufficient amount of HDD for your preference.I would buy a decent GPU and upgrade the CPU depending on the motherboard slot if needed. I bought my HP for $400 and I spent around $110(buying the PSU and GPU) while the desktop preloads 4gb of Ram and 1TB of HDD. But I can't say anything unless I know your price range. So, what is your price range, or the maximum amount of money you want to spend?
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If these words are in the PC specs, it's junk:
Home
Student
Single Core
Inspiron
Celeron
Windows Home
If these words are NOT in the PC specs, it's junk:
Graphics|Video Card
If CPU speed is <2.5G, it's junk.
Retail stores are notorious for pushing junk.
You're better off studying whats available on eBay, spending a few days educating yourself on PC specs,
before you or your parents fork over several hundred bucks to a retail store on a piece of cr*p,
that can barely browse the internet, much less run games.
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my budget is : 500, but for the price i pay i sorta expect stunning graphics with absolutely nooooo lag
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Are you allowed to buy online? Newegg has some great deals for desktops, from what I've experienced.
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my budget is : 500, but for the price i pay i sorta expect stunning graphics with absolutely nooooo lag
Well, take it from my personal experience. My old laptop had 6 gb ram, a 3.0 ghz gen 2 i5 processor, Intel Integrated HD 3000 chip set graphics, and cost ~ $600.
OpenBVE lagged like hell on it. (average of 4-6 fps with the new R46)
My NEW laptop has slightly less hard drive space (500 gb vs 640 gb), only 4 gb ram, a 3.2 ghz gen 3 i5 processor, and NVIDIA's GeForce GT 730M discreet graphics card. It costed only ~$70 more (tax included).
OpenBVE runs beautifully. (average of 17-20 fps with the new R46).
I'm going to tell you the hard truth. You can't get a computer with the discreet graphics spec you want for your budget, unless you're sacrificing much needed Hard Drive capacity, or RAM, or you're getting a shitty processor. You want something that performs? You'll have to sacrifice a little more $.
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Well, take it from my personal experience. My old laptop had 6 gb ram, a 3.0 ghz gen 2 i5 processor, Intel Integrated HD 3000 chip set graphics, and cost ~ $600.
OpenBVE lagged like hell on it. (average of 4-6 fps with the new R46)
My NEW laptop has slightly less hard drive space (500 gb vs 640 gb), only 4 gb ram, a 3.2 ghz gen 3 i5 processor, and NVIDIA's GeForce GT 730M discreet graphics card. It costed only ~$70 more (tax included).
OpenBVE runs beautifully. (average of 17-20 fps with the new R46).
I'm going to tell you the hard truth. You can't get a computer with the discreet graphics spec you want for your budget, unless you're sacrificing much needed Hard Drive capacity, or RAM, or you're getting a shitty processor. You want something that performs? You'll have to sacrifice a little more $.
How about a computer with a Quad Core AMD CPU or i3 CPU or maybe even an 8 core AMD CPU and a Nvidia 610,Radeon HD 6450, or HD 6670 with 4gb/8gb ram? I think that would run decent for recent games now.
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How about a computer with a Quad Core AMD CPU or i3 CPU or maybe even an 8 core AMD CPU and a Nvidia 610,Radeon HD 6450, or HD 6670 with 4gb/8gb ram? I think that would run decent for recent games now.
You might loose a few FPS if the processor is a little dated or has a lower GHz rating, BUT the main factor in performance here regarding lag is whether you have discrete graphics or integrated graphics, the former being preferred. That being said, I can't say whether the i3 really has a negative impact on performance when mated to discrete graphics, since I haven't had first hand experience with that processor, or the AMD line of processors either. Strictly speaking, I'm an Intel guy.
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You might loose a few FPS if the processor is a little dated or has a lower GHz rating, BUT the main factor in performance here regarding lag is whether you have discrete graphics or integrated graphics, the former being preferred. That being said, I can't say whether the i3 really has a negative impact on performance when mated to discrete graphics, since I haven't had first hand experience with that processor, or the AMD line of processors either. Strictly speaking, I'm an Intel guy.
Well we can all agree integrated graphics is worthless and yeah, I think AMD specializes in gaming while from the eyes I see, Intel specializes in media(in my opinion), but they're both wonderful. And spending 500 bucks or a little bit more can get you a decent computer, more decent than mine actually. I'll show you what I mean when I post the links for Mkoyf.
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Well assuming if you can buy online, here are some you might want to check out. They are decent for gaming in this generation.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227475
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258017 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258017)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229361 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229361)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229435 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229435)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229396 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229396)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258019 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258019)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229285 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229285)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227477 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227477)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227467 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227467)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227478 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227478)
These are not the best, but are around your price range. Some may be higher, and some may be lower, but it depends on which one you choose. If you have questions, feel free to ask any one that is willing to assist you.
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Ahh I c. PCs are a different story lol. You can find them for cheaper than your average high performance laptop. Personally, this one stood out to me as a pretty decent deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227467 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227467)
For an extra $40 or so, ya get the extra 4 gbs of ram, not to mention the 7200 rpm drive vs your more typical 5400 rpm drive, which go a long way if you're trying to multitask.
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Thanks a lot for all your advice!!!
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how about the lenovo z570 intel core i5
is that a good one for bve and gta 4
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my budget is : 500, but for the price i pay i sorta expect stunning graphics with absolutely nooooo lag
$500 is a pretty miniscule budget for a gaming computer....
anyways.. I would suggest you NOT get a laptop. They heat up pretty quickly and most aren't upgradeable. Also, I don't know why, but openBVE has this weird inability to tell the graphics card to ramp up. My system with a i5 3570K @ 4.2 Ghz and a Radeon 7850 lags horribly on the R46 exterior because my graphics card remains at idle even in openBVE, which causes the game to lag as the R46 is pretty resource intensive. I've been trying to find ways to ramp up the graphics processor while playing openBVE, but so far, no luck. Since michelle has disappeared off to who knows where and openBVE has not been updated in almost a full calendar year, I don't know whether this issue will ever be fixed.
As I said before, its pretty hard to work with a small budget for someone who wants gaming performance. Here is what I can offer you for $600:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17292409 (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17292409)
I couldn't include any hard drive, as it would have added too much onto the cost. You're going to have to reuse the hard drive you currently use. Another thing is that you will have to build this machine by yourself. You're going to have to do your homework, but the value of this machine far exceeds any piece of junk that Dell, HP or anyone else can offer. Custom built machines always offer better value than prebuilt ones.
The $500 systems listed above all have their own flaws. The FX 4130 is too weak to run GTA IV. The GT 610 is complete garbage and is not for gaming by any stretch of the imagination. For an extra $100, you can have a i3-3225, which is faster than the 4130, the GTX 660, which blows the GT 610 out of the water and with the rising cost of RAM these days (supply and demand), the 8GB of RAM adds on $70 to the cost of the prebuilt machines when you can get 4GB for $40 right now and hopefully when prices drop, you can get another 4GB stick to total 8GB. Last year, 4GB was only around $20 while 8GB kits were $40, unfortunately this year RAM prices have skyrocketed and I personally wouldn't pay for 8GB of RAM at this moment in time.
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$500 is a pretty miniscule budget for a gaming computer....
anyways.. I would suggest you NOT get a laptop. They heat up pretty quickly and most aren't upgradeable. Also, I don't know why, but openBVE has this weird inability to tell the graphics card to ramp up. My system with a i5 3570K @ 4.2 Ghz and a Radeon 7850 lags horribly on the R46 exterior because my graphics card remains at idle even in openBVE, which causes the game to lag as the R46 is pretty resource intensive. I've been trying to find ways to ramp up the graphics processor while playing openBVE, but so far, no luck. Since michelle has disappeared off to who knows where and openBVE has not been updated in almost a full calendar year, I don't know whether this issue will ever be fixed.
As I said before, its pretty hard to work with a small budget for someone who wants gaming performance. Here is what I can offer you for $600:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17292409 (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17292409)
I couldn't include any hard drive, as it would have added too much onto the cost. You're going to have to reuse the hard drive you currently use. Another thing is that you will have to build this machine by yourself. You're going to have to do your homework, but the value of this machine far exceeds any piece of junk that Dell, HP or anyone else can offer. Custom built machines always offer better value than prebuilt ones.
The $500 systems listed above all have their own flaws. The FX 4130 is too weak to run GTA IV. The GT 610 is complete garbage and is not for gaming by any stretch of the imagination. For an extra $100, you can have a i3-3225, which is faster than the 4130, the GTX 660, which blows the GT 610 out of the water and with the rising cost of RAM these days (supply and demand), the 8GB of RAM adds on $70 to the cost of the prebuilt machines when you can get 4GB for $40 right now and hopefully when prices drop, you can get another 4GB stick to total 8GB. Last year, 4GB was only around $20 while 8GB kits were $40, unfortunately this year RAM prices have skyrocketed and I personally wouldn't pay for 8GB of RAM at this moment in time.
Is that already prebuilt or does he have to build it himself? Because no offense, but I don't think he knows how to build a desktop from scratch.
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Do you really want to play GTA 4 at like 60FPS on maximum settings?
It is practically impossible to find a pre-built system that meets your budget if this is your requirement.
The thing with GTA 4 though, is that its pretty much a direct port from the console versions, resulting in a terribly unoptimized experience for the PC.
If you really want something that will play everything else smoothly with decent graphics (in the medium range) then yes, your budget is perfect if you were to build your own system. Its pretty hard to find one that is pre-built these days with all the right combination of hardware.
I recently bought a AMD A10-5800k which was rated as having best in class integrated graphics. I paid about $300 for the system. Granted I'm not looking to play all my games on maximum settings, and playing online multiplayer. But I have ran all of the following games with excellent performance mainly on medium settings.
- BioShock Infinite (Medium Settings)
- Max Payne 3 (Medium Settings)
- Battlefield 3 (Medium Settings)
- Starcraft 2 (Medium-High Settings)
- SimCity 2013 (Medium on 720p)
- Minecraft (Maximum)
- Portal 2 (Fairly old, but its great)
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Is that already prebuilt or does he have to build it himself? Because no offense, but I don't think he knows how to build a desktop from scratch.
With the resources out there on the internet today, it does not take a genius to build a computer. He just has to be willing to watch a few tutorials on Youtube and learn
Newegg TV: How To Build a Computer - Part 1 - Choosing Your Components (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw#ws)
Newegg TV: How To Build a Computer - Part 2 - The Build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls#ws)
Newegg TV: How To Build a Computer - Part 3 - Installing Windows & Finishing Touches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok#ws)
@ipac: My overclocked i5 3570K and Radeon 7850 can runs GTA IV maxed out at only 30-35 fps. Unfortunately, GTA IV's well known stuttering glitch appears when the settings are maxed on my machine and I have to tune down the shadows... OP should be happy to attain medium high without any of the graphics enhancers (aka iCEnhancer)
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thanks so much
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With the resources out there on the internet today, it does not take a genius to build a computer. He just has to be willing to watch a few tutorials on Youtube and learn
Newegg TV: How To Build a Computer - Part 1 - Choosing Your Components (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw#ws)
Newegg TV: How To Build a Computer - Part 2 - The Build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls#ws)
Newegg TV: How To Build a Computer - Part 3 - Installing Windows & Finishing Touches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok#ws)
@ipac: My overclocked i5 3570K and Radeon 7850 can runs GTA IV maxed out at only 30-35 fps. Unfortunately, GTA IV's well known stuttering glitch appears when the settings are maxed on my machine and I have to tune down the shadows... OP should be happy to attain medium high without any of the graphics enhancers (aka iCEnhancer)
In my opinion, I would just buy the pre-made desktops on Newegg. AMD FX-Series FX-8120(3.1GHz), 8GB DDR3 Ram, 1TB HDD Capacity 7200rpm,AMD Radeon HD 6670 1GB, and a 700 watt PSU for $500 is totally worth it for me.
Although the motherboard may not be that great and the GPU may not be the best, he could spend money on it and could make it even better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229361 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229361)
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Ended up geting lenovo z570 dreampad. had no control over it parents bought it for me, i cn always return it (to costco)
i played bve and im impressed. i played the (Q) to Brighton wit the new R46 and got 35 fps, i think thts good
it was 599.99 the computer
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Well, it has a HD 4000 so you'll be able to run interiors properly but the exteriors with a lot of 3D objects such as the R32 and R46 you won't be able to run. Forget about GTA IV on the HD 4000 as well :P
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the r46 exterior worked with 25 fps (i think)
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What resolution?
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highest one 1068/724 i think